Aleph J - Recommended Preamplifier? (2025)

myfirstamplifier

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2023-01-13 10:09 pm

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    Hi Guys,

    After building a small HV power supply regulated power supply to eventually build a tube preamp chassis to couple to my Aleph J. I found out it might be a better idea to ask some questions before I move to a pre-amplifier circuit choice.

    Currently, I drive my homebuilt Aleph J from an IPhone 5. I know its dated but it sounds good to me and seems to measure well into low impedance loads:

    https://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/iphone-5/audio-quality.htm

    Using high quality 320k mp3 I found that I need to keep the volume at 80-100% or a room filling sound with the Aleph J and generally its not really loud enough and a real Eureka moment came when a friend brought is Sony headphone amplifier over and plugged it in and WOW it really came alive.

    I started looking into the specs of the Aleph J:

    Input Impedance 242 Kohms (RCA input)
    Input for 25 watts output 1.5 volts

    Is that 1.5 volts RMS or peak-to-peak?

    I already put some time to build up a chassis with R-CORE transformer with a HV and LV regulator board for this circuit thinking it would be appropriate but then I re-read Aleph J specs and its input impedance is over double of that stated by this design (100K vs 242K). What should I do now lol?

    This was recommended in the RCA Radiotron design guide in the 60's as a 12AU7 preamp design. I wanted to use 12AU7 specifically for this because I was gifted about 30 NOS 6189W tubes from a retired military technician, all in original boxes. Is it still a viable design to use with the Aleph J or other amp designs? If not, what preamp design is best coupled with Aleph J? I already built the HV/LV power supply and really want to use the tubes I was gifted. Any suggestions or ideas is really appreciated!

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    Dennis Hui

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    2023-01-13 10:15 pm

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      1.5V RMS

      Zen Mod

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      2023-01-13 10:16 pm

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        https://www.diyaudio.com/community/...the-diya-store-register-your-interest.390509/

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        Indigent Audio

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        2023-01-13 11:29 pm

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          codyt

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          2023-01-13 11:41 pm

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            Will you continue to use the iPhone as a source in front of a new pre, or would you invest in a DAC too? Knowing what your source’s voltage could help inform your decision.

            If you want to stick with tubes, John Broskie has several great sounding designs/boards(SRPP w/ 12AU7 is my fav). If your source outputs the typical 2v RMS, you could really get by with a buffer, be it tube or solid state.

            My vote is the Iron Pre that ZM linked above. Has options to set gain, and you could even run it as a buffer if you don’t need the gain.

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              PJN

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              2023-01-14 5:34 pm

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                I found that I needed a preamp with a decent amount of gain to drive my aleph j properly. Any of the afor mentioned recommendations would work very well.

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                stretchneck

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                2024-01-31 9:47 pm

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                  So I knew I’d end up building an Aleph J at some point… 😀

                  Q. Preamp, buffer or DAC direct?

                  Source (DAC)
                  SE 1.4vrms out, 200ohms output impedance
                  Bal 2.8vrms out, 100ohms output impedance

                  Speakers at 8ohm, 93dB sensitivity.

                  I kinda like DAC direct, no preamp, but only if the gain structure lets me achieve 70-90dB over the top >70% of digital volume control. I never really exceed 90dB.

                  I would have thought DAC direct would work as the input impedance is almost 250kOhm on Aleph J, but other people suggest not?

                  Would welcome advice.

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                    if source is having proper cojones and there is no puny volpot inserted, nothing wrong driving J directly

                    Mikerodrig27

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                      Stretchneck, what DAC do you have?

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                      stretchneck

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                        PS audio directstream

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                        awc

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                        2024-02-03 8:12 am

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                          Mojo2 dac running off battery makes my AJ sing like a angel

                          peppennino

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                            Zen Mod said:

                            https://www.diyaudio.com/community/...the-diya-store-register-your-interest.390509/

                            Yup, my setup! Sounds spectacular

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